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So, an underserved point by all accounts, but a good one all the same it would seem. Leeds got done 3-0 there a couple of weeks ago and Swindon have won their last 6 on the trot at home.
Seeing both Leeds' and Norwich's result it seems another opportunity missed though.
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- CommentAuthorAFKABartram
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
What you say is right, but we have no conviction about us.
If the supporters don't believe, which most of us dont , then the rest of the season is realistally going to be an uphill battle with us looking over our shoulders rather than ahead. -
Thought we battled and scrapped really hard against a decent team. Burton made all the differrence when he came on for the last 20 minutes. For the first time we had someone who could hold the ball up and bring other players into the game. We do struggle without him. Excellent goal in the 93rd minute, made with a couple of quick passes and leaving Bailey to knock it in from close range. I thought we thoroughly deserved the point but Swindon will be kicking themselves. They sat far too deep for the last 15 minutes and just invited us on. They obviously didn't learn from their Boxing Day experience!!
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Posted By: AFKABartramWhat you say is right, but we have no conviction about us.
If the supporters don't believe, which most of us dont , then the rest of the season is realistally going to be an uphill battle with us looking over our shoulders rather than ahead.
You are right. It's got to the stage where t I don't even get angry anymore. They have finally worn me down! So many chances to be well top of this League thrown away. Especially as we have only lost 3 games all season :-)
Not knocking the players by the way. They just seem to have lost their way/belief. -
Swindon have now dropped 4 points against us in a couple of months,they must be kickingthemselves
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CommentAuthorThreadKiller
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
a fantastic result really.swindon are no mugs in a very tough league and with norwich slipping up we've managed to close the gap on them and leeds are the same as before.
still only 3 defeats all season,we should be celebrating. -
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- CommentAuthorAFKABartram
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
Posted By: ThreadKillera fantastic result really.swindon are no mugs in a very tough league and with norwich slipping up we've managed to close the gap on them and leeds are the same as before.
still only 3 defeats all season,we should be celebrating.
you don't do the sarcastic sh1t as well as your bessie mate, so why don't you leave it to him, eh ? or have you agreed to do it in shifts ? -
We were poor, I could go in a lot more detail but I can't be bothered. Met some lifers and played some good spoof, great day basically
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CommentAuthorThreadKiller
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
Posted By: AFKABartram
you don't do the sarcastic sh1t as well as your bessie mate, so why don't you leave it to him, eh ? or have you agreed to do it in shifts ?
let's keep to topic rather than litter threads with cheap snipes -
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CommentAuthorClem_Snide
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
Posted By: ThreadKiller
Posted By: AFKABartram
you don't do the sarcastic sh1t as well as your bessie mate, so why don't you leave it to him, eh ? or have you agreed to do it in shifts ?
let's keep to topic rather than litter threads with cheap snipes
Seriously, please change the record. It is becoming like finger nails down a blackboard. -
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- CommentAuthornorthstandsteve
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
the team selction says it all,the players must be wondering whether they will be in or out next week.Jonjo gets dropped to the stand for 2 games then starts the next,lloyd sam (not that im moaning) goes from start to bench to left out of 16.Chris Solly goes from very good league debut to bench.Burton gets benched,feck me i haven't a clue whats going on and neither do the players.This smacks of pardew 2 years ago.We will miss out on the play offs and ger our arse spanked at Millwall. -
- CommentAuthorGoonerhater
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
other than Youga, PP has his complete squad. No one went in the transfer window and he brought in a striker. So we/he cant blame injuries/suspentions or transfers its down to the selection ,the tactics and the manager.
The thought of the Bermondsey pikys or Pardew in the play offs is a horror that only CAFC would put us through. -
I try to avoid coming on here post match as there are usually too many people on here that ain't been to the match and very rarely go away but think they can post comments as if they have
That performance today was garbage apart from the last five minutes of each half , Swindon were very very strong physically and we struggled to cope with that . Akpo hardly won a header all match and Burton should've been brought on earlier though I guess the enforced withdrawal of Racon meant we had to hang on in case of more injuries .
Need to have a vast improvement to get the three points at Rovers -
AFKA is that you? Seems a bit out of character 'sall.
Whether I'm Semedo's biggest fan or not, if you play a variation of five in the middle with our personnel it's ludicrous to play without Semedo. Every single central midfielder we have are erratic in their defensive positions or just plain unimposing. I can understand leaving out Semedo for some home matches, though this may prove a false economy the risk of draws instead of wins are something we need to address. 4-5-1 is a cracking away formation with our personnel used correctly. -
- CommentAuthorAFKABartram
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010 edited
Posted By: ThreadKiller
let's keep to topic rather than litter threads with cheap snipes
Its not a cheap snipe, i'm just saying the 'oh how well we are doing, lets be grateful' line laced with triple strength sarcasm is getting boring. Its just about tolerable if one person is doing it, but when its three or four it loses any form of empathy and is just plain boring to read.
I am as frustrated and disappointed as you, and every other fan, but what you are posting of late is not your true feelings, or something that adds to a debate, but a 'stance' that can be expected before it is even posted. Its character posting, which knowing you personally, i know you and oohaah do for a laugh and reaction, but at the end of the day, doesn't help anyone or lead to a decent debate any more. -
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/4993152.FULL_TIME__Town_1_Charlton_1/
If you are interested reading from a Swindon fans perspective see the comments at the bottom of this link. -
They've just won how many home games on the spin, then draw one to an injury time leveller and their fans boo?
Not just us then! -
I love the bit about us dragging them down to our level hahaha f**king liberty
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awful again lol but stopped Swindon getting three points so an okayish result
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- CommentAuthorgolfaddick
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
My take on todyay game ............
We were lucky to go in at half time 0-0 and just weren't at the races - had our first effort at goal after 40 mins which by which time Swindon had creatd a host of chances and were unlucky not to be 2 or 3 up.
Parky changed it at half time bringing on Semedo for Wagstaff (injured or tactical ?) and although made the midfield a bit stronger didn't help us with any attacking play, which again was non-existant.
We only started playing once we had gone 1-0 down (now where have i read THAT statement before !) and Sndon made the big mistake of sitting back for the last 10 mins and inviting us on.........which we did & scored without about our only shot on target.
On another day we would have lost by 3 or 4 and if we cant keep on coming back from going 1-0 down. - I understand today may not have been the game to go 4-4-2 and Swindon are a good team on a good run - but how Parky can say he sent out a team to win is beyond me. This had all the hallmarks of a game plan of keeping it tight and hope to get a draw.
Got to now get 10 points from the next 4 games,anything less and we will be looking over our shoulders as the chasing pack have games in hand and in a month we have Millwall away and I''d hate to go there, lose and they leapfrog over us !
Finally, for those fretting we get Pardews men in the lay-offs............have a look at the table & get real ! They are 12 points off 6th and only 5 points off relegation !!!!!!!!! -
The pleasing thing about today was that we didn't submit to the stereotypical Charlton defeat. That means losing to a team in good form and with the obvious goalscorers, ie. Paynter and Austin.
However, there is still not a chance we will overtake Norwich or Leeds. That isn't being particularly negative, it's just we aren't good enough. To get automatic promotion we will need 87 points or more. This means winning 10 out of our last 16. No chance.
We will make the playoffs though. -
- CommentAuthornorthstandsteve
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
play offs would do for me,but i dont think we have enough up front. -
What I said on Twitter post match
"999! Call the police, day light robbery at Swindon, suspect described as red headed with a load of peoples wives in tow" -
- CommentAuthorstackitsteve
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
I went today and have to say for the most part i agree with buckshee
Sometimes dont comment just because i get the impression people listen on radio etc then comment as if they were there and we all know how different the game is when your there. Also like all forums there are lots more people ready to comment after a bad result than a good one.
Anyway, thought we were poor today, Swindon deserved all 3 points, we only seemed to have any real desire to get forward in the last 5 minutes of each half and it takes us to go behind before we start playing. Still a point away to swindon is a good point (sign of the times). Having used two subs early in the second half limited our options and as was mentioned above i think this was the reason burton was not brought on earlier as another injury would have caused problems.
Still, another new ground under my belt and its still all to play for....and its in our hands.
COYR!!! -
Just got back home from the match.
Swindon were physical, in your face and fired up pushing us right back in that first 30 mins - sure
they had chances, but apart from the header that clipped the bar and one Robbie turned safely away, it was all pressure and bluster; frenetic scrambled stuff but no cutting edge.
We had to wait far too long though before seeing a thrusting Charlton move. Jonjo interchanged with Reid - which ended with Jonjo crashing the ball against the bar from outside the box. If that had gone in, it would have been talked about for years to come.
The way Swindon played didn't allow us time on the ball, and we were just not bringing the ball down and retaining posession. Players like Bailey, Racon and Jonjo ended up playing ping-pong passing at 90mph, so we often surrendered possession cheaply.
Dare I say it - IMO opinion we missed Sam, somebody to put their foot on the ball or as an outlet when we're under pressure.We really are so much more a better side when we get the ball down and play a passing game rather than trying to match up-and-under teams like Swindon.
The turning point of the game was bringing on Burton - now we had intelligent movement and quality 1st touches that linked up play. He really was the difference and now we were able to retain posession so much better.
And take the game to Swindon.
Don't knock Akpo's sheer graft and willingness to chase lost causes though, he challenged for every high ball isolated from team mates and surrounded by defenders. Great selfless contribution.
Our equaliser was possibly the best move of the match, Akpo chasing and bringing down a high ball, finding Burton who lost his man with a neat turn on the corner of the box - and rolled the most perfect square ball into the path of Bailey, who rammed home with relish.
Great atmosphere amongst the away fans ........ for the last 5 minutes.
Special mention to the drummer. -
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CommentAuthorLargeAddick
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
only Oggy could put a positive spin on that shite !! -
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Maybe you need to take off your "sh*t-tinted specs" once in a while then. Oggy is only saying it how he sees it - which is what you do and what this board is for, surely?
I seriously wonder why you bother going if it makes you that unhappy. -
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CommentAuthorLargeAddick
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
Posted By: Off_itMaybe you need to take off your "sh*t-tinted specs" once in a while then. Oggy is only saying it how he sees it - which is what you do and what this board is for, surely?
I seriously wonder why you bother going if it makes you that unhappy.
well at least Oggy was there I suppose and qualified to comment. You wouldn't know whether it was shite or not with only a naff commentator to go by. -
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CommentAuthorISawLeaburnScore
- CommentTimeFeb 6th 2010
Agree on Burton Oggy, his intelligence and link-up play is fundamental to operating a lone centre forward formation - as we discussed on the way back to Bristol!
Swindon were a lot of huff and puff and not a great deal else, as shown by their three attempts on target during the game (we had more, unbelievably!) -
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Posted By: LargeAddick
Posted By: Off_itMaybe you need to take off your "sh*t-tinted specs" once in a while then. Oggy is only saying it how he sees it - which is what you do and what this board is for, surely?
I seriously wonder why you bother going if it makes you that unhappy.
well at least Oggy was there I suppose and qualified to comment. You wouldn't know whether it was shite or not with only a naff commentator to go by.
No, that's right - oh wise and insightful one!
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If anybody thinks our current results are not cause for concern, then obviously they're not seeing what I saw yesterday. We moved to 4-5-1 and didn't play our best centre forward for that role until the last 15 minutes and we spent the majority of the game hoofing it forward to a guy who can't play that role as he's got no touch, awareness of real footballing vision.
Shelvey had what I thought was his worst game for us this season - partly his fault and partly that of the manager - he looked like he'd been dropped into the hole between midfield and attack yet we didn't try and play through him - however, players can have an off day and it was not like the players around him were on fire either. Bailey was poor but he has the knack of being the right man in the right place at the right time. Racon flattered to deceive, Wagstaff didn't get involved, Semedo started well when he came on but then got dragged into the general malaise and Reid got better as the game went on. His shooting is awful but his sheer pace and willingness to beat a man and get the ball in the box is refreshing. Sam deserved a kick up the arse, so I'll give Parky some credit for that.
Shame for Solly who by all accounts had a good game last time out, so he'd have been wondering how Basey was put back in front of him and then watch him be part of a back four who were taken to the cleaners by Paynter in the first 40 minutes. Swindon failed to capitalise but they were by far the better side - organised, playing to their strengths and broke with numbers at pace at will from the start.
It's a point won, rather than lost, but we look like we won't hit the play offs wih form and therefore are going to be the rank outsiders in comparison most likely to the other sides who will be challeging us.
If we're going to play 4-5-1, Burton HAS to be the man to play it - he was head and shoulders better than Apko - who with every game I see him play, appears to be less and less like the solution as a centre forward, so I'd like to see McKenzie given a game from the start - why not - everyboy else has had a good and at least McKenzie HAS scored over 100 league goals in his career ... -
Large Addick looked pissed off when I walked past him on the way out, like he had practised a load of stuff to moan about on here, and then Nicky Bailey ripped it all away from him
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- CommentAuthoroohaahmortimer
- CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
we're play off bound and anything can happen ..... anyone but millwall please .....
a point at swindon is now a good thing so happy with that
but the longer we keep leaking goals(10 games without a clean sheet) and with our currently punchless attack(thank god for our own paul scholes) the further the automatics will become from our reach ...
can't belive burton didn't start, if apko's a better option to burton then i'm an optimist -
- CommentAuthorqueensland_addick
- CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
We're going through a bad patch, no doubt about that. However the spirit we are showing in refusing to roll over in games is very encouraging. What we need to do is find our form at the Valley and then take that into away games. I think with Reid on one wing, Sam/Wagstaff on the other and with Burton, Sodje/Mckenzie up front, we could very easily rediscover our attacking and goalscoring flair.
There is still a long way to go and we are only six points from Norwich and still to play them at home. One weekend where they lose and we win and we are right back in it. The fact that we are still picking up points whilst playing so badly is a good sign which could make a huge difference at the end of the season. Once Norwich hit their little spell of bad form they may not be so lucky in picking up points. Leeds will be under huge pressure not to blow it again which could also work in our favour. -
- CommentAuthorExiled_Addick
- CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
I thought apart from the first 30 mins we were quite comfortable yesterday. There were a couple of small scares but Swindon didn't look any great shakes to me. Trouble is, for that first 30 mins we were very unconvincing and the hopeful hoofs were so predictable and a lot of Swindon's pressure was building because we kept surrendering possession too easily.
Then all of a sudden, Racon started getting on the ball, we started to keep the ball on the deck and we forced a corner and then hit the bar shortly afterwards, half time came too soon for us at that stage.
Jose probably should have started in a game like yesterday, especially in a 4-5-1 and he definitely steadied the ship (I thought Bailey was lucky not to be withdrawn), but we seemed to revert to the long ball stuff. Losing Racon didn't help because he was playing quite well and seemed to be the one who was going to put his foot on the ball and try and get us ticking. His ability to carry the ball through the midfield was also opening up the odd gap in the Swindon defence.
We had Swindon at arms length but we were getting nowhere near them either - Akpodje wasn't winning a great deal in the air, and when he did no-one was running past him to collect the flick-ons. His hold up play wasn't great either, his first touch can be as bad as anyone at the club at times and he seems slow to decide what to do once he has the ball at his feet. Didn't look that quick yesterday either - I don't think he won a foot race all afternoon, so can't really agree with Parky the he had an excellent afternoon, although he kept trying to put himself about.
I don't want to single out Akpo though, Bailey, Jonjo, Wagstaff and Richardson were all guilty of being very wasteful in possession at times. It's also pointless looking for a lone striker to win lots of flick-ons because without a pacy strike partner, there's never going to be anyone to collect them. If we're going to play that way, the long balls need to be to chest and feet and really we should be playing Burton.
Burton wasn't at his very best but you could see the difference when he came on. A great example was a cross Burton played to Akodje who was 15 yards out with his back to goal, but not being physically pressurised by anyone. The ball just skewed off his boot and was cleared. A few minutes later Burton collected a near identical ball from Reid, whilst being marked. He controlled instantly and turned it to his left for Bailey to smash in the equaliser. I think Burton's looked a bit flat in recent weeks, but this highlighted how he's the one bit of quality we have up front.
The positive to take from the game is that we've gone away to one of the best side in the divison and I've no doubt we'd have won if we'd played towards our best - Swindon were no great shakes and our own mistakes, particularly slack passing, were as much to blame for their early pressure as their own ability (although they did pressurise us on the ball well). We probably produced three passing moves of the quality we were producing regualrly at the start of the season and we got a corner from one, hit the bar from another, and scored with the third. (Why can't the players realise that was what was working and keep doing it, instead of reverting to hit and hope at the first opportunity?)
The trouble is, another week goes by without us really hitting top gear and if we don't do it soon we can forget automatic promotion. I still believe we're at least the third best side in this division though so we must hope we're confident and in good form should it come down to the play-offs because I'd make us favourites for them if we are. If we're in this form we'll have to hope we can draw three games and win 2 on penalties! -
Posted By: RothkoLarge Addick looked pissed off when I walked past him on the way out, like he had practised a load of stuff to moan about on here, and then Nicky Bailey ripped it all away from him
LMAO, Rothko !
Swindon don't have a great deal of quality about their play - which is why, for all their dominance at times, they created so few real chances. But you can see how they must have physically battered Leeds and won 3-0.
They took the game to their opponents like a home side should, and forced us to play like an away side.
That's the way it was until the last 15 minutes.
Swindon don't give you time on the ball, and they push you right back. In the circumstances, I thought we defended pretty determinedly and credit should be given for that. IMO it was the midfield that was the problem - Swindon were in their faces so quickly, we just didn't seem to have an outlet under pressure never seeming to retain possession or surrendering it cheaply. Which of course meant Swindon just came back at us again.
In games like this, we need players to show a good first touch, composure and who can retain posession - rather than afraid to hold the ball.
The changes throughout the 2nd half, step by step started to make a positive difference. First Semedo gave our defence a bit more protection and we didn't have to defend so deep. Solly coming on, gave pace and sheer enthusiasm all down the left side and Basey moving into LM gave better team shape.
But Burton was the difference. The moment he came on we looked a different side, starting to move the ball around better and gradually taking the game to Swindon, pushing them back as they tired - notice how many late goals Swindon concede?
One encouraging point - whatever people think of the overall Charlton performance, one thing must be recognised:
we might be giving teams a goal start, but count the times we've come back from behind......!
Last season's team would have folded. There's a resilience and fighting spirit amongst this year's Charlton side.
I know I get accused of positive spin, lol ..... but we'll have any number of posters who'll just say in frustration because we haven't effortlessly won 3-0, that the performance was shit, we should have lost 10-0, blah, blah.
But of course there's far more to any game than that.
All I've tried to do is analyse how both sides played, point out where I saw some things were going wrong and why.
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Can't argue with Oggy Red, a real shame Burton and Semedo did not start as think we may have got even more. Racon played really well and again Reid looked a real threat although a lot better on the left.
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- CommentAuthorExiled_Addick
- CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
Posted By: Oggy Red
One encouraging point - whatever people think of the overall Charlton performance, one thing must be recognised:
we might be giving teams a goal start, but count the times we've come back from behind......!
Last season's team would have folded. There's a resilience and fighting spirit amongst this year's Charlton side.
This is very true Oggs. All these draws won't get us promoted but they are at least giving us something to cling onto. At least you feel there is always hope this season and I think all the come from behind points fly in the face of those who say we're not mentally tough enough to tackle the play-offs. -
Thank God for you Oggy you're the Nicky Bailey of this forum:-)
Just when I'm about to go and rip my own head off after reading on here how bad we are somehow you step up and slot in a last minute bit of positivity:-)
Phew...for a moment back there I even began to contemplate a hobby.....;-)
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- CommentAuthorSix-a-bag-of-nuts
- CommentTimeFeb 7th 2010
Didn't go so interested to read all the comments.
This thing about the opposition closing our midfield down quickly has really become a pattern of late.
Invariably are hurried into a mistake or we struggle to find the right pass and end up going backwards and then hoofing it long and more often than not surrender possession.
At home the crowd starts to get frustrated and the team seems to sense the vibe and lose all composure.
Anyways, anybody else think that Bailey's goal yesterday could maybe be the most important he'll score all season?
Lose yesterday and they would have been breathing down our neck with games in hand; and we would have been dfeated and demorilised.
As it is they are no closer and we live to fight another day.