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Nice and easy this just answer if you think he's found his level or whether he has been the engineer to a resurgent Charlton
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- CommentAuthorPhoenixSiv
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
can it be both Dazzler?
don't mean to be a smart arse...
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lol of course it can Phoenix :o)
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He has finally got a team together and got them feeling confident, oh and some of our players are far too good for this league
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CommentAuthorShootersHillGuru
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
We will lose games no doubt but PP has Charlton playing decent football with confidence which would imho not look out of place in The Champioship. I have been converted by the mans actions both on and off the field since relegation in what must be very difficult circumstances. Given a little money I think that Parky can deliver promotion but failure to adequately fill the gaps in our squad will I fear cost us dear. Missing out this season will without doubt mean losing most of our midfield and consequently create a much larger and longer task for any manager to rebuild. -
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- CommentAuthornth london addick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
i dont want to be jumping the gun or blowing smoke too far up his arse just yet..
But i think that he has his OWN settled Squad playing in his way from a good pre season, He has players that should have performed in Midfield last season but never he has a hugely talented and hungry 17 yr old boy and his own charecters that he wanted.
He has had to do all this knowing that it is us he has to win over because all the noises i heard from inside the changing rooms were that the players really like and respect him and that they enjoy working with him and for him
we now have a team from head to foot
Parky knows this league and if we are still in with a fighting chance of a promotion place at xmas i will fully believe that tactically he has sussed out how to play other teams because without a main striker we will get sussed out in a few games simply by flooding the midfield and we will have to work imensely hard to nick a 1 goal win.
Good luck to him i stated months ago that it was not that i disliked him i just need to be convinced that he can provide the motivation from the side and the nous of how to beat teams so far i believe in him for this season he remained immensley dignified on pre season in the knowledge that he did not have 100% support from the board nor the fans and that sort of bloody mindedness and willingness to try is a breath of fresh air from the complete shit talked by dowie and the ingnorance and arrogance of Pardew
Good Luck Phil i hope you get what you deserve and at the min you deserve to be leading a top of the league team well done -
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CommentAuthorbingaddick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
I believe there were signs of real improvement in the last ten games of last season, although it didn't always manifest itself in results.
To be fair some of that was down to the return from injury of Racon and ZZ.
What I think Parky has done, given the smaller squad and therefore it's limitations is to look at the best players we have and mould a team around them.
We clearly have quality in midfield and he has found a decent position for Bailey out left, a permanent role for Semedo. (Lets not forget that he was injured last season). He give Jonjo an advanced role supporting the attack whenever possible. I think he's continued to work on Sam, improving his fitness and putting faith in him to give him more confidence on the one hand but also challenging him to sharpen up as well with Waggy waiting in the wings.
He's made the correct Goal keeping decision and brought in an enthusiastic fan/player in Elliot. He's strengthened the defence especially at this level in the Llera, Dailly and Richardson signings.
Finally he has identified and brought in, in Burton a striker who has the close control and energy to play the lone striker. I don't think Burton was fully fit last season, but he looks lean and mean this season.
I felt last season that the squad was too good to go down. It was just a shame that the first three quarters of the season was wrecked by tinkering, indecision, off the field issues and some key injuries.
I'm not one to blow smoke up people a*ses and frankly Parky is a very lucky bloke, both to get the job and then to keep it this long. He has though, grabbed the luck he has been given and run with it. -
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CommentAuthorHenry Irving
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
agree with Bing and NLA.
He is very fortunate to still be here and I sure he knows that.
He had done what he had to do well and we are winning but it is only five games into a 46 season so plenty more work to be done yet. -
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Some of the players last year was far better than a relegated team and at times just couldnt get the rub of the green. Last season could have been so much better than the end result.
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- CommentAuthorfalconwood_1
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009 edited
Bing has nailed it. However retrospectively I don't think our squad was Championship standard (I did at the time). We had some players who were; Bailey, Jonjo, erm . . . .there's your answer!
If Parky says he bought Burton for this league I'd've be satisfied, but as his 1st signing supposedly for the Championship, I thought it was utterly laughable and could've easily lost him his job, all bar the fact the boardroom didn't have the cash to get rid.
What I would stress is that we may 'now have a team from head to foot' but we may not have the squad to get us up. At the moment *prays* -
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CommentAuthorStu of HU5
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Found his level imo, as soon as we come up against one of the stronger teams parky will be found out! The guy is clueless and shouldn even be left in charge of the biscuit tin, let alone the first team!!!
really do hope im wrong, but i think we'll struggle to go up with pardkinson in charge! -
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- CommentAuthorWeegie Addick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Can't agree with a word of that, Stu.
Agree with Bing that improvement was there to be seen towards end of last season, which is why I wanted to see PP given a further chance. I'm so glad that's happened, though rumours from the ver top had it that he was on the way out. Perhaps in that respect the lack of takeover has been a blessing in disguise? Some stability and consistency in team selection, tactics and man mangement was desperately needed, and I'm delighted PP is proving capable of delivering this. -
- CommentAuthorExiled_Addick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Posted By: PhoenixSivcan it be both Dazzler?
That's the answer. Of course the fact we're playing weaker opposition with, largely, a championship starting 11 is going to help our results, but you could say similar of Southampton and look at the way they are floundering along with that clown Pardew in charge.
Whatever level you play at and whoever you have in your team, if you have poor squad discipline, limited tactical organisation and nothing resembling a settled side you will struggle to win consistently. It's not rocket science but those were the three things endemic in Pardew's management of the club and, although it's taken longer than we'd have liked, Parky has seemingly corrected those problems and I would say that's been more important in our good start than any drop in quality of opposition. -
Performances (at least for part of the match) improved after Pardew went but that did not manifest itself in results.
Parky has had a pre season to do things his way and we are seeing the benefits of that. We may have trouble against the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield and MK Dons but we should now have the confidence not to fear anybody in this division.
Parky has to take a lot of credit for that given the well documented uncertainties off the pitch. -
- CommentAuthorSix-a-bag-of-nuts
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
I think only the most mean-spirited of Parky haters would simply say he's found his level.
I think it's a partial vindication of those of us who saw the seeds of improvement towards the end of last season; and thought that Parky at least deserved a proper pre-season and the chance to bring his own men in. (I like to refer to us as visionaries) ;-) -
- CommentAuthorfalconwood_1
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Parky has done very well to get a balanced team on the park (possibly for the first time in 18 months).
I didn't see any seeds of improvement at all and thought circumstances off the park kept him in a job. -
Posted By: Stu of HU5Found his level imo, as soon as we come up against one of the stronger teams parky will be found out! The guy is clueless and shouldn even be left in charge of the biscuit tin, let alone the first team!!!
really do hope im wrong, but i think we'll struggle to go up with pardkinson in charge!
Hope you're joking, weak league or not you don't win 5 games in a row just through luck and having more quality. We're playing good passing football, attacking and defending well, working hard, looking organised, confident and there's a good team spirit. If he was clueless we wouldn't have won all five games or be playing the sort of football we are. -
Pardew on the other hand...
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Posted By: Scoham
Posted By: Stu of HU5Found his level imo, as soon as we come up against one of the stronger teams parky will be found out! The guy is clueless and shouldn even be left in charge of the biscuit tin, let alone the first team!!!
really do hope im wrong, but i think we'll struggle to go up with pardkinson in charge!
Hope you're joking, weak league or not you don't win 5 games in a row just through luck and having more quality. We're playing good passing football, attacking and defending well, working hard, looking organised, confident and there's a good team spirit. If he was clueless we wouldn't have won all five games or be playing the sort of football we are.
I remember someone on here once told me that we could sign Ronaldo and people would moan because it wasn't Messi, so i'm never shocked with some of the stuff spouted on here. -
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CommentAuthorStu of HU5
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Posted By: WSSPardew on the other hand...
had a much better games to points ratio with us last year than parky did!
lets just remember the guy took us on our worst run of results in the clubs history! He's come up against 5 gash teams and is looking good! Hell im over the moon about it and i really hope parky proves me wrong, just don't see it myself, especially after some of the gutless performances away from home last year! -
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Posted By: Stu of HU5
Posted By: WSSPardew on the other hand...
had a much better games to points ratio with us last year than parky did!
lets just remember the guy took us on our worst run of results in the clubs history! He's come up against 5 gash teams and is looking good! Hell im over the moon about it and i really hope parky proves me wrong, just don't see it myself, especially after some of the gutless performances away from home last year!
Not quite right Stu.
PARDEW took us on the worst run of results. Parky came in and failed to stop it for a while. -
Posted By: Stu of HU5lets just remember the guy took us on our worst run of results in the clubs history!
Obviously Pardew was gone by then but he set us on that run, not Parky who had to rebuild the confidence & belief and find the best system for us (something Pardew never did).
So much of last season was down to Pardew's mistakes, especially last summer, even though it's not obvious when purely looking at results and how early in the season Pardew left. -
Posted By: Stu of HU5Found his level imo, as soon as we come up against one of the stronger teams parky will be found out! The guy is clueless and shouldn even be left in charge of the biscuit tin, let alone the first team!!!
really do hope im wrong, but i think we'll struggle to go up with pardkinson in charge!
I struggle to think of a sensible comment for such a ridiculous post as that. FFS!! -
- CommentAuthornth london addick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Posted By: Red_Pete
Posted By: Stu of HU5Found his level imo, as soon as we come up against one of the stronger teams parky will be found out! The guy is clueless and shouldn even be left in charge of the biscuit tin, let alone the first team!!!
really do hope im wrong, but i think we'll struggle to go up with pardkinson in charge!
I struggle to think of a sensible comment for such a ridiculous post as that. FFS!!
to be fair to stu
how many people agreed with this point at the end of last season i certainly did and Parky has not won me over at all yeti think i am just beginig to realise that he took a team on its way down and couldnt fix it where as now it is 100% his responsability and he seems to be getting it right but only promotion will get me thinking that he deserves the job for a longer period of time -
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CommentAuthorHenry Irving
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
i do wonder if a new manager such as tisdale orAdkins had come in, signed the 3 defenders and won the first five games with skillful and battling performances then what would have been the reaction to him? -
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- CommentAuthornth london addick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Posted By: Henry Irvingi do wonder if a new manager such as tisdale orAdkins had come in, signed the 3 defenders and won the first five games with skillful and battling performances then what would have been the reaction to him?
i didnt want either of them anyway
it was cappello, Mourihnio, Dicanio or no one for me they wouldnt have signed 3 defenders 1st ;-) -
Posted By: LenGlover
Posted By: Stu of HU5
Posted By: WSSPardew on the other hand...
had a much better games to points ratio with us last year than parky did!
lets just remember the guy took us on our worst run of results in the clubs history! He's come up against 5 gash teams and is looking good! Hell im over the moon about it and i really hope parky proves me wrong, just don't see it myself, especially after some of the gutless performances away from home last year!
Not quite right Stu.
PARDEW took us on the worst run of results. Parky came in and failed to stop it for a while.
Stu to elaborate: We had 18 league games without a win between the home victories against Ipswich on October 4 and Crystal Palace on January 27. Pardew was in charge for 8 of those Parky 10. -
Posted By: Henry Irvingi do wonder if a new manager such as tisdale orAdkins had come in, signed the 3 defenders and won the first five games with skillful and battling performances then what would have been the reaction to him?
They'd certainly be getting even more praise than Parky is.
I had a feeling Parky could do a good job but I never expected 5 wins out of 5 and all our best players (apart from Zheng who was always going) still here 2 days before the window closes. Can say we've played easy teams but we still had to be organised and play well to win. -
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CommentAuthorStu of HU5
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Im glad so many of you are happy to forgive parky for last season and blame it all on pards, just dont forget who his number 2 was!
i'd loved to be proved wrong, i dont dispute parky is a nice guy and has acted very well during close season, but lets be sure on one thing, he's still here because we're skint! After so many gutless performances last season, well into parkys reign, he didnt have a clue how to break teams down, i remember games the other team could have taken tea breaks and returned to see us still trying to get the ball out our own half without hoofing the ball out for a throw! For the last 5 games we have seen some of the real garbage this league has to offer, thats why we're on 15 points, not because parky woke up one day and knew how to manage a football club! -
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Posted By: Stu of HU5Im glad so many of you are happy to forgive parky for last season and blame it all on pards, just dont forget who his number 2 was!
i'd loved to be proved wrong, i dont dispute parky is a nice guy and has acted very well during close season, but lets be sure on one thing, he's still here because we're skint! After so many gutless performances last season, well into parkys reign, he didnt have a clue how to break teams down, i remember games the other team could have taken tea breaks and returned to see us still trying to get the ball out our own half without hoofing the ball out for a throw! For the last 5 games we have seen some of the real garbage this league has to offer, thats why we're on 15 points, not because parky woke up one day and knew how to manage a football club!
It is more a case of credit where it is due.
I accept that to some extent Parky is here by default but I have consistently questioned since Pardew's departure who we could realistically attract who is better than Parky.
Yes he was Pard's number 2 but if the training day is anything to go by that entailed wandering around with a clipboard while the Great Ego pontificated and Kins scampered around gathering practice balls.
Pardew destroyed the confidence of numerous players and Parky had to put it together again.
In the circumstances he has operated under possibly only Curbs or Lennie would have done any better or as well. -
I think Parkinson has done a magnificent job so far....
The team obviously respect him and the players are acting like they are all in love with each other...
Team spirit is incredibly hard to find and once its found we need to hold onto it for dear life...
I actually think that Parky's bad run and ultimately guiding us down is a good thing, as it means we are viewing this success with a bit of fear that at any point the wheels might come of....
If a new individual had acchieved the same thing we would be singing his praises screaming form the terraces calling him a genius etc...
you can just see it "he hasnt even spent any money!!'
but with the fear factor in place that keeps ur feet on the ground....
the futures bright.... and its definately not orange (jordon your a tw$t ; ) -
Posted By: Stu of HU5Im glad so many of you are happy to forgive parky for last season and blame it all on pards, just dont forget who his number 2 was!
Who blamed it all on Pardew? No one did. I said a lot of it was down to the mistakes he made. Parky made mistakes but so far he looks to have a lot more of an idea about building a balanced squad with good characters and organising a team than Pardew. It takes far more time than you seem to realise to build up confidence and belief as well.
In this league we're ok with Burton up front, in the Championship we needed a goalscorer in there, and that may well have been the difference in many games last season. Semedo was also out injured for most of the season and we now have a balanced midfield with him taking ZZs place. -
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CommentAuthorBlackForestReds
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
Jeez, can't we just celebrate the fact that we have won five games on the bounce, set a club record in the process and are playing great football and are top of the league, with all abr Leeds trailing in our wake? After three poor under-performing seasons I'd have thought most people here would be happy with that.
A year ago and trips up north were dour affairs where we either played defensively to snatch a draw or a win against the run of play or more likely we rolled over and timidly surrendered the points. To date we've had two away games, won them both - and both were against northern teams and in the process we've rediscovered our club. Undoubtedly there'll be tougher times ahead but sometimes you have to take stock of your achievements and appreciate that in L1 this season that we (and Leeds) are the team to beat. Let's concentrate on that and celebate the fact that right now other teams are afraid to play us.
As for Parky he's doing a great job, had he left the club in the summer I'd have not missed him, but the guy has worked hard and if he's been lucky then perhaps it's one of those cases where he's deserved his good luck. -
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Parky has engineered the tea, who would have thought in december Bailey would do so well on the left, Semedo and Racon look a class apart in this league and he has improved the defence no end with excellent signings.
Parky was in no way flavour of the month at the start but he did inherit a complete farce with our best players injured, others unfit and with no confidence. Players such as Burton, Basey and Elliot now look leaner and fitter.
If he had taken over earlier then maybe he'd have proved that he can manage in the Championship with more success. Towards the end of the season the team began to take shape and even though there was nothing to play for, we looked capable of competing well in the second tier.
Parkinson deserves the success he is getting after acting with great dignity and slowly building a team we can be proud of again. -
Parkinson had the opportunity to do much better last season, he got the job on the back of no wins, and in terms of results, and eventually finishing bottom of the league, could any method of management have done worse? I feel that by losing from winning positions, and not perhaps 'parking the bus' a few more times, and disrupting the club with loads of loan players, we lost point after point that may well have saved us from relegation.
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Given the circumstances we're now in obviously nobody could have done any better. Parkinson has reacted very well to our lower status, organised the team well, and most importantly helped us to win points.
Personally I will be conscious throughout this season that promotion, if we're fortunate enough to achieve it, will only get us back to where we were when Parkinson took over. However if we do go up, and see the team playing good passing and winning football, and also see the team perform convincingly in the FA Cup against higher placed opposition, and there is continued good evidence of good managerial decisions, then he will have gone a long long way to win me over.
Some recent positive signs have been subtle pressure on Sam that has made Lloyd up his game, the deployment of Tuna and Wagstaff, the tolerance shown towards Jonjo where he recognises talent and youth often comes with inconsistency, and indeed his wireless interview yesterday where he said he went to see Tranmere play against Bolton to prepare for our game.(really impressed with that actually, because I don't believe Pardew bothered...and still doesn't). Parkinson has also found a system that for now uses our resources well, and gets results.
I suppose the thing to do is judge game by game result by result, yes every game is a pressure game in this league, and the approach taken to the Brentford match is very important...points won when confidence is high is money in the bank against future problems. As for future problems, they will come, but possibly no worse than other managers in this league will face, how Parkinson reacts to them will also tell us a lot about his ability. -
- CommentAuthorOrmiston Addick
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2009
You simply cannot judge any manager until they have had a full pre-season in charge of a club in which time they can mould the side they want and ship in and out the players that they want for that team, if they don't have that time then they can only offer a patch-up job.
It is absolutely crazy to blame Parkison for last years relegation - that was 100% down to that dickhead Pardew who left us with a crap defence (only two senior centre-halves and one of those was the injury prone Fortune), a surfeit of central midfielders but almost no wide players, and a plethora of dog-shite "strikers" having sold our previous seasons leading scorer to Wolves.
Oh, add to that the fact that Pardew had destroyed morale in the squad by bringing in dozens of loanees - most of whom could not have given a feck about Charlton Athletic - and who were lacking any confidence whatsoever.
Parkinson could not even bring in any new players because the club was (and is) skint - how he was supposed to turn that around I simply have no idea!
However, in the off season he offloaded some expensive deadwood (Holland, Hudson & Ambrose) and brought in some very cute freebies in Richardson, Dailly and Llera - that's shrewd business in anyone's book.
There are very likely still some bad days ahead - the winter months will make it harder for our brand of football - but Parky has clearly re-built the side very well and we are looking like we are finally on the right path again after an awful three year period. -
- CommentAuthoroohaahmortimer
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2009 edited
no one could have done worse than parky did at the time he came in
i believe most would have wanted somebody fresh when pardew departed and that would have given us a chance of survival
but finances or the blindness/ineptitude of the board meant we kept him , hence we're in a position to be wetting ourselves about tier three victories, when i know i would have preferred to have survived in the championship
parky then under difficult circumstances has rejuvinated the troops and with some wise acquisitions has got us performing to the max, we have a decent starting XI
no one could have done better than parky has since the end of the season , for which i'm happy to say fair play
but once we get back to championship status i'll be happy to drool over parkys achievment but he was part of a disastrous run for this club the only way to redeem it is to return us to where he found us imo -
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CommentAuthorsuzisausage
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2009
Who cares if we're 'only' top cos we've played rubbish teams. Its about confidence and we had none last year. There were glimmers but like others say - it was against us last year. I remember one season in the prem we had the top 4 in our first few games we never recovered from the bashings and I think that was the year we were relegated. It may have been different if we'd played other teams first few games. Why not enjoy being top for having played the easier teams first which has bred confidence and may give us the confident edge over other teams similar to us as we could win the psycological battle before the game kicks off!
I don't think its fair to say parky has found his level - he may not be prem standard - yet but he's obviously worked hard with the players over summer which has enabled us to win the first game - that was the biggest game of his life for a while as it had a shaky 2 month build up and I'm sure fans would have called for his head within 5 mins of us going a goal down. The fact we won the first meant it was easier to motivate for the 2nd. I think confidence is the main issue with football - more than skill. There are teams in the prem with bags of skill and little confidence (everton? Until yday) and once you're down it must be v hard even for the top managers to inject confidence in a side that is at a low point. Rarely been done I think.
So well done parky you beaut! Keep up the good work! -
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- CommentAuthorstilladdicted
- CommentTimeAug 31st 2009 edited
I'm with Suzi on this one. Seems to me that it's money which basically dictates the league you're in, and it's the manager and staff that largely determine the club position within the league. Gordon Strachan was interesting last night when he was commenting on managers understanding the psychology and confidence of teams. PP first halted the decline, which took longer than we had hoped, but since then he has built upon it. We may have been lucky for once in that the first games gave us a chance against poorer teams, allowing wins that have undoubtedly helped to build confidence. Going into the tougher games with higher levels of confidence has to be a good sign, but it's still Parky that has got us this far against a background of huge uncertainty and a liberal sprinkling of doom and gloom. I reckon that's pretty good by anyone's standards. -
For me the important issue is that he seems to have the dressing room on his side, something Pardew lost.
It takes time to build up a good relationship with any team as a manager, whatever the industry, and football is no exception. He appears to have the respect of the squad.
Parky is not there yet, far too early in the season, but he deserves an enormous amount of credit for the dignity he has shown in very trying circumstances - he also has my respect at the moment.