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Can we seriously win the league.......

Without getting out of third gear ?

On paper, that was a big win tonight. Its all about results and that will go down as an excellent three points.

But whether we are playing within ourselves, or getting away with it through an excellent defensive set up and good fortune for us at the other end (free kicks going in, players getting sent off, pens etc), i genuinely don't know.

Our two key strikers have just one goal in the last collective 20 appearances, and we no longer look the same threat in any shape or form that we did in Oct / Nov, nor do we seem to have any form of swaggering fluency to our game. We haven't really looked a dominant team since the victory against Huddersfield back in November.

Yet our results have been absolutely incredible, and if they continue in the same vein for another month we will achieve promotion at a canter.

So am i seeing things too negatively / cautiously ? Are we dominating games and i'm just not seeing it ? Is there any way others could beat us, or are we simply just too defensively sound ?

Confused of Sidcup
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  • You and me both AFKA. MK played us off the pitch tonight and yet we mostly roll out the results. Our recent malaise is a concern because I want us to have a bit of style. Hopefully CP gives them a good kick up the arse. I think it's needed.
  • The number of points on the board tells its own story. No need to question it to much.

    Are we simply just too defensively sound ? Yes we are, come on we have Powell in charge ;)
  • i'm seeing it like that

    i think we've been a bit chuff of late but the results have been absolutely incredible and it just doesn't stop
    in another lifetime we may have lost half a dozen or so games BUT we haven't and we are where we are
    i keep thinking of the "we're still 5th" season when you just knew we were pony despite results and postion holding up for a while , i don't want that to happen again, i don't think we're as good as our points domination of the league shows IYKWIM
    i hope we can pick it up and cruise to the finish line rather than just grind it out
    but whatever happens let's just hope we get out of this league this season however that may be

    confused of epping
  • We're playing shite and winning through organisation and discipline. Works well for the germans
  • If we go up, it will be because of our defence, not our attack. Very very rarely do teams manage to break us down by playing decent football, and those that resort to hoofing it are just playing into Morrison and Taylor's hands.

    Powell was interviewed on 5Live afterwards and admitted that the second half performance was disappointing. Something needs to be changed up front, but I don't know what. Kermorgant has been superb, but he and BWP don't operate on each other's wavelength. Perhaps we should bring Paul Hayes back.
  • A sign of Champions. Man Utd never cease to amaze me. Just when you think they have little or nothing to offer, they continue to produce results/performances.

    How many time when we were in the Premiership did we run all over top teams for 20-25 minutes and then...... bish bosh 0-2 down?
  • We just break up their play so easily and did the same tonight. They never looked a threat to us tonight. A couple of times they got in down the wings but we are just too good defensively. Our wingers protect the RB/LB and Stephens and Hollands both track back. It makes it so difficult for the opposition to get any flowing play in our half of the pitch. Thats why MK were playing it around in their own half for the first 45 mins.
  • I've always had the feeling, even when we were on absolute fire during october/november, that we are capable of stepping it up even more.

    The defence has played an absolute vital role in our success, they're drilled and drilled with the knowledge that the attacking players infront of them will not only score goals, but also support them in their defensive efforts. Kermorgant is a brilliant example, for a tall striker you'd expect him to stay upfront, but he can be found all over the pitch putting in a brilliant shift.

    The best is yet to come, and I cannot wait to see it unravel before my eyes.
  • If we go up, it will be because of our defence, not our attack. Very very rarely do teams manage to break us down by playing decent football, and those that resort to hoofing it are just playing into Morrison and Taylor's hands.

    Powell was interviewed on 5Live afterwards and admitted that the second half performance was disappointing. Something needs to be changed up front, but I don't know what. Kermorgant has been superb, but he and BWP don't operate on each other's wavelength. Perhaps we should bring Paul Hayes back.

    I think we should try Haynes and Kerm next match. If that fails maybe resort back to BWP/Hayes partnership. The two of them had such a great understanding before.
  • Perhaps we should change nothing because it is not broken and there's no need to fix it


    I think you have just been charltonised to the max Danny ,

    We are doing enough to win every game , go to expansive and we become open , go to defensive and we can sit to deep and concede


    We are a very organised and solid team, once we get ahead we rarely lose ,


    So we don't need to push on and open up the game , powelly has worked out a winning formula it is not 3rd gear , imo it is knowing how to win and once ahead the onus is on our opposition to Chase the game and not us


  • It's a results business, and we are the business at getting results. Our defence is giving us the platform to win, our midfield are full of goals so it's not such an issue our forwards aren't scoring (bet they'd like the odd chance though).

    I think it's a sign that Powell's game plans work, we do enough to win games. I think as well though that we oughtn't forget that it's a competitive league and other teams aren't going to lie down and concede 4 every week. The ones that are any good will give us a run, the ones that are less good will stick an extra man behind the ball - especially because we're top and so far ahead.

    I still have a nagging feeling that we looked our best when Hughes allowed Hollands to get further forward, but Stephens is such a pleasure to watch you can't leave him out.
  • Mourinho Powell

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  • Yes...the second half was disappointing on the eye but we were 2up and they were one man short. Why bust your bollocks when we were assured of the 3 points and a step closer to achieving our aim of getting out of this fuckin division....We still have plenty of games left so lets shelve any negativity.
  • All that ball MK had was going no where. How often did they get behind us? Not often? Or apart from after their goal, where we stretched by them?

    We're fine doing what we're doing thank you very much
  • If we go up, it will be because of our defence, not our attack. Very very rarely do teams manage to break us down by playing decent football, and those that resort to hoofing it are just playing into Morrison and Taylor's hands.

    It'll be because of both, we're the third top scorers in the league. A mean defence we do have, but 55 goals or whatever it is isn't too shabby! Teams don't play lovely football all season & at the moment we're going through a very tough run of games. I don't think we'll see the same sort of football we did earlier in the season purely because of the season starting to get on.
  • Solidgone said:

    Yes...the second half was disappointing on the eye but we were 2up and they were one man short. Why bust your bollocks when we were assured of the 3 points and a step closer to achieving our aim of getting out of this fuckin division....We still have plenty of games left so lets shelve any negativity.

    At 2 nil the points are never assured, and we got sloppy in the second half, with some poor passing and lack of movement. If they had scored earlier, I wouldn't have fancied our chances of hanging on.

    Stephens does some nice things, but we really neede some more energy out there in the midfield.
  • Look at the Norwich game at The Valley in April 2010, we battered them senseless for 89 minutes and they nicked a goal and held on - and went up easily.

    It's what the better teams do, play within themselves and still win the game.

    At 46 games the League One season is incredibly long, there will be longish stretches where we don't play well but still find a way to win.
  • a win is a win is a win is a win
  • Solidgone said:

    Yes...the second half was disappointing on the eye but we were 2up and they were one man short. Why bust your bollocks when we were assured of the 3 points and a step closer to achieving our aim of getting out of this fuckin division....We still have plenty of games left so lets shelve any negativity.

    This.

    Tonight was the 1st game of 8 in just 26 days, playing twice a week every week.

    2-0 up against 10 men, it would have been nice to put on a show for the fans.
    But 3 points in the bag and a team that's paced itself so it's not too knackered for Saturday, is enough.

    You only get 3 points for the win. Nothing more.

  • I thought we were pony tonight we got the result but I find a real lack of tempo and urgency i'n our game. I would like u's to control a game a bit more
  • To be fair 3 of our 5 games in the New Year have been against the top 5. I thought we were superb up at Wednesday, not dominant as such but we hardly gave them a clear chance and broke with real purpose and style, and should really have had at least another goal.

    Hopefully they'll turn it on when the chance arises against some of the lesser teams in the next few weeks. We looked class against Chesterfield the last time they did the fiver offer - they'll be keen for some payback on Stevenage and will want to make it a spectacle for a big crowd, maybe that'll be the time...

    regardless, lets just get out of the league ASAP and break as many records as possible in the process
  • I think what many of us fail to realise is that this the 3rd Div, and not a very good one. Think about it. In the last 20 years there have been huge clubs, huge, in this league. Man City, Leeds and Forrest for example. Ok we have Sheffield Wed who are a big club historically but nearly went out of business recently.
    We are a big club for 3rd Div, we are a very good 2nd tier club who will flirt with the top flight now and then. We got it so right these past 18 months, right manager, supported his total revamp of the playing staff and are now reaping the rewards. We will cruise this league, absolutely cruise it. Let's enjoy it and not be afraid to accept how much better we are as a club as a whole than our rivals. Of course next year in the Championship will be hard, so make the most of this year, laugh at our ridiculous results and get your ST for next season.
  • I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.
  • Maybe they are the same ones predicting we would lose tonight !

    ;o)
  • In the second half we tried to slow the game down by passing square and back but ended up playing ourselves into trouble. We are always better playing at a high tempo and getting into the opposition players and unsettling them. Even Smith looked moderately competent tonight because we let him get the ball instead of hassling him. I like Stephens but found it puzzling why he played it so slowly tonight. On a number of occasions he failed to see BWPs runs and instead went square or back. With the other results going our way (the gap to the playoffs increased with Utds win) the three points was the most important feature BUT if you play poorly for too long, you lose. I remain convinced we will go up as champions but champions play attractive football and that's what we want to see.
  • We very rarely look like conceding.We are watching a championship defensive unit right there.
    I would have reservations about some of the attacking options if we do manage to go up this year.

    Won't name names though.....Doesn't seem to be the Charlton thing to do anymore! ;-)
  • Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    we were played off the park in fairness
  • This is a top 2 League 1 team and that's where I'm confident we'll end up.

    Still not convinced the midfield is as balanced as it could be, could do with some pace and energy somewhere at times, but they're good enough for where we are.

    Strikers aren't scoring but it's not like we're creating enough for them. All 4 of our midfield can score goals though, as can others not in the team at the moment.

    Looking forward to seeing how Powell uses the squad in the next few weeks. Might even find a few better partnerships along the way, BWP and Kermorgant for example are good players but don't always link up well. Haynes will get a run at some point I expect and Pritchard is another option on the right.

  • Mike said:

    Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    we were played off the park in fairness
    In fairness no we weren't. Otherwise we would have let in more than one goal late on.

  • We very rarely look like conceding.We are watching a championship defensive unit right there.
    I would have reservations about some of the attacking options if we do manage to go up this year.

    Won't name names though.....Doesn't seem to be the Charlton thing to do anymore! ;-)

    Spot on Carly, our defence is Chapionship standard, our midfield is almost there but our attack is very weak, as AFKA has stated 1 x goal by our forwards in 20 collective games is poor and that would get us relegated back down again so it needs to be addressed for next season
  • Not being funny, love the guy, but Kermit does not link up with people very well, especially BWP. Its a concern.
    We play it around alot though, allows other people to get in scoring positions as well as the strikers.

    BWP was unlucky tonight, didnt notice Kermit much.

    Balanced game tonight. One we were 2-0 up against 10 men, we was always going to just sit back and break up there moves. Clever, but boring.

    But clever..
  • We have dropped MKDons and on the verge of dropping Wednesday and Huddersfield. If we win our games in hand over Wednesday we will be 16 points ahead with 15 games to play. Happy days.
  • I think Powell made a mistake in trying to completely take the sting out of the game with 45 to go but we did what was required. A lot of people around me were getting annoyed that we kept playing back to Hamer, but at 2-0 up against 10 men there wasn't any real threat. I don't think MK outplayed us today, but I do think our performance seems worse than it was due to our complete lack of ambition in the second half and I think people should keep that in mind. The extreme we went to to keep the lead wasn't all too entertaining but I think if we'd gone in at 1-0 up or even 0-0 we still would have had this one. With our defence and some of the moves we string together I think we're just to good for other passing teams. It's the cloggers and spoilers that worry me
  • We very rarely look like conceding.We are watching a championship defensive unit right there.
    I would have reservations about some of the attacking options if we do manage to go up this year.

    Won't name names though.....Doesn't seem to be the Charlton thing to do anymore! ;-)

    Spot on Carly, our defence is Chapionship standard, our midfield is almost there but our attack is very weak, as AFKA has stated 1 x goal by our forwards in 20 collective games is poor and that would get us relegated back down again so it needs to be addressed for next season
    We've seen when the midfield (and full backs) create BWP and Yann score goals.

    Think you're being harsh on the strikers there and kind to the midfield.
  • Mike said:

    Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    we were played off the park in fairness
    Really? I mean REALLY?

    Don't know what game you were watching then. "Played off the park" suggests we got murdered and took a bit of a pasting. A 2-1 pasting?
  • Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    Well we were a bit pony in the second half, looking at the stats Franchise had more of the possession, and more shots on target than we did, and if their CB hadn't lost his head, we could easily have lost that game.
  • Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    Well we were a bit pony in the second half, looking at the stats Franchise had more of the possession, and more shots on target than we did, and if their CB hadn't lost his head, we could easily have lost that game.
    But, and I really do want to stress this as I think it's important for perspective, we did clearly go into that second half looking to muck about and maybe nick one on the counter by taking advantage of them being down to 10 men. To Robinson's credit he re-shaped his side very well and it was difficult to notice they were a man down. But our second half performance was related directly to our desire to take the sting out rather than an all round poor showing. Granted, we didn't carry out the plan all that well but it's a tough thing to do for 45. I genuinely don't think we were lucky, that match was ours to win and we did the job
  • Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    Well we were a bit pony in the second half, looking at the stats Franchise had more of the possession, and more shots on target than we did, and if their CB hadn't lost his head, we could easily have lost that game.
    By that logic if we hadn't scored twice we would've lost 0-1.
  • Only problem we have at the moment is strikers not scoring and our wingers aren't creating enough. JJ I can forgive as he's played his part but Green just doesn't put crosses in early enough instead he delays and is closed down while up front Kerms and BWP just isn't working, Kerms flicks on are great but BWP doesn't seem to be in the right place. I wouldn't drop Kerms as he works his bollocks off and wins and competes for every header and thats what you need from your centre forward.

    But then again BWP was put through a few times tonight but it just isn't happening for him and feel once he gets a goal he'll be fine. So really I don't know what I'm moaning about we're 8 points clear with games in hand!
  • Off_it said:

    Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    Well we were a bit pony in the second half, looking at the stats Franchise had more of the possession, and more shots on target than we did, and if their CB hadn't lost his head, we could easily have lost that game.
    By that logic if we hadn't scored twice we would've lost 0-1.
    Yes we won, but it was unnecessarily tense at the end, we were playing against 10 men, and frankly took our foot off the gas too much, effectively letting them back into the game as we abdicated space and possession. If we were worried about staying fresh for Saturday, why didn't we use all 3 subs?
  • Yes for sure we can win the league! The result tonight was handed to us on a plate and that seems to happen when you are at the top more so than when you are at the bottom. It is disconcerting that we are not scoring from open play like we were earlier in the season and that the goals have dried up for our strikers but nevertheless we march on relentlessly towards the finishing line. At 2-0 and with 8 games to play in 26 days? I can understand the second half performance against 10 men and it wouldn't be Charlton if they didn't give us a little scare late in the game. Whether that was intentional I'm not so sure but we are now 10 points clear of third place with 2 games in hand and that'll do me in whatever gear you like. It's onto Tranmere now and by SCP's reckoning we need 8 more wins and the odd draw out of 17 matches...............bring it on COYR!
  • Off_it said:

    I just knew people would be on here calling us "pony" and saying we were "played off the park".

    Strange bunch, Charlton fans.

    Well we were a bit pony in the second half, looking at the stats Franchise had more of the possession, and more shots on target than we did, and if their CB hadn't lost his head, we could easily have lost that game.
    To be fair, MK Dons were always going to have more shots and more possession than us because they had to chase the game, once we hit the break at 2-0 it was always going to be that way.

    It was a big win that will have our rivals in the top 6 shaking their heads with dismay as the gap widens. If we win 9-0 at home someone on here will still say "I was disapointed with BWP tonight" or something as strange...This is Charlton and this is as good as it gets in my view, so to return to the thread yes we can seriously win this league and we may do it sooner than a lot of us expected at this rate...roll on Saturday, another mediocre performance and three points
  • Thought we took our foot of the gas 2nd half and were way too laid back, but who cares winning!!! Don't worry we have Hudds away and Stevenage at home only top 6 games left. Just enjoy the ride and i am sure we will strengthen next year for another promotion push. Kerm has to stay in the team for those of you saying the front two isn't working if anything give Haynes a run out with Kerm, you never know could be a master stroke and gave another fans favourite on our hands. His pace is frightening. Up the Addicks and as I have said just enjoy the ride.
  • I see where AFKA is coming from , we do look like we have not got out of third gear for a long while but you have to give MK Dons a lot of credit tonight. They are the best footballing side in this division ( including us) and i still fancy them to beat anybody over two legs in the play offs. I will take lacklustre wins all day long as long as it gets us promoted.
  • I am as miffed as everyone on here that our strikers aren't scoring,but then I see some of the goals scored tonight & I know things will click very soon for Kermy & BWP.............Lee Hughes (boo) chased the ball down, keeper then slips leaving him to roll the ball into an empty net............Paul Benson side foots in from 2 yards out with no defender in sight - words like blindfold & granny come to mind !!!

    I'd rtaher play crap & win than play a blinder every match & end up losing...........been there & got the tee-shirt !! I don't belive in God or any higher being - but what we are experiencing is payback for suffering over the last few years.
  • We won, im drunk, happy, and dont care if we cough and splutter to promotion. Leave the Barcelona football to, er, Barcelona!
  • I see Chesterfield v Sheff Weds on Saturday is a 1pm ko.

    Is that televised?
  • Oggy Red said:

    I see Chesterfield v Sheff Weds on Saturday is a 1pm ko.

    Is that televised?

    Yes

    Crimewatch

  • Glad I wasn't there now as I probably, (no definately) would have had a grumble. But in the cold light of day MKD have played Sheff Wed & Hudds in the last couple of weeks and picked up a draw in both, hence the gap to third forming.Pretty no effective yes
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