I only saw the second half of the Newcastle v Spurs game, but it was 45 mins of good football and probably produced a fair result. So, has Pardew been misjudged? Or, is he just better with better players? It's easy to argue that Newcastle have had easier games than some sides, but 8 games without defeat is a good start even though they are likely to slip back atfer they have faced the big guns.
Any views? No tirades please!
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Maybe he has a decent assistant unlike the non existant one who had nothing to do with the crap that was produced by pardew at the valley
Ultimately , it's what these managers do at Charlton that matters most to us and we all know some fans were looking to see Curbs fail when he left to give it the told you so but whatever these ex managers go on to achieve it won't change what they done at our club and Pardew failed with us
The trouble with Pardew's teams come after a year or so. This is when effects of his management style come about. He produces teams who have an inflated sense of their own greatness and abilities as players. The players then think they only have to turn up on the pitch to win and don't work hard enough. West Ham fans will tell you the same and it happened at Charlton.
Players such as Darren Ambrose are another good example of Pardews
management ability. Warnock like Curbishley played Ambrose breaking from
right midfield and he immediately scored a lot of goals at Palace.
Pardew consistently played Ambrose in a central position and it never
worked. There is always a balance as a manager between your preferred
style of play and the players (with their strengths and weaknesses) at
your disposal. Pardew, I don't think did a good job on that level and
was far too rigid at times.
In addition, Pardew talks a good game and but when things start to go wrong he won't take any responsibility for it. That attitude also rubs off on the players.
Add in 'personnel attachments' at the club with the ego problems, it can't be said that a healthy atmosphere is foistered at the clubs he manages.
It is too early to say whether Pardew has overcome these tendancies.
When you add in a team of players bought by Pardew and been managed by
him for any length of time is the real test. It is incredible how he managed to land job after job though, particularly when great managers such as Curbs are not in work.
As a manager the worst thing you can do at St James Park is get off to a flying start because the Geordies swiftly raise expectations to unrealistic levels which makes the inevitable disappointment likely to lead to a sacking swiftly.
As Vff says I don't expect AP to be quick to take responsibility when things go wrong. I predict he will have burned some of the chairmans dosh on an expensive under-performer before departing.
If he has changed and I am wrong then fair play to him.
75% Dowie's fault, 25% Pardew's fault. Pardew's a pretty good impact manager, and he had a pretty impressive half season with us in the Premiership, considering the demoralised shambles he inherited. However, he can't be trusted with transfer funds, as we know too well - Izale McLeod, Stuart Fleetwood, Dean Sinclair just for starters, and he can't turn it round as soon as things start going wrong, they seem to go from bad to worse pretty rapidly. Obviously alleged relations with his players' spouses doesn't help morale either.
It won't last at Newcastle, and I suspect it will all end in fairly comical fashion.
Arrogant, selfish onanist certainly
Takes one to know one......
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Pardew is a good manager.
No need for this fool to insult him. What does he base his opinion on?
PragueAddick:
Respect? That's rich. That bloke talks down to and disrespects nearly eveyone on here. Insight? Don't make me laugh.
Back?
I've never been away.....
Suit yourself. From what I've heard from other people "close to the club", he's right about Pardew, that's who this thread is about, and that's who he was talking about. Whereas you threw a personal insult at him. Aren't you on another thread whining about Charlton supporters having a go at each other?
I think you'll find Clive simply threw the same insult back to the poster who had originally insulted Alan Pardew. I can't see what is wrong with that.
What gives him the right to insult a respected professional football manager? Quite a nasty insult too.
What is an onanist?
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Someone who is happiest in their own company, with the curtains drawn and a bumper size box of Kleenex to hand.
Delete history...
And cheers Prague, far too much face to face time with the man in question but as I see it not such a terrible manager. Just not a very nice person IMHO .
that ,mr largo, is as accurate a description of myself as i've ever read!
I always felt that as bad as things had got at charlton with Pardew, that had we kept him we would NOT have got relegated from the Championship that year.
I think he struggled when Andy Reid got sold, but would have figured it all out in time to haul us clear. That's not to say that he was the right man long term of course.
The consistent theme for me in the Charlton demise was that neither Dowie nor Pardew recruited their own coaching staff right at the start. At each stage there was always an element of the old regime still around.....of course until the new owners came in and sacked the whole coaching staff. We now have a winning team (it would appear).
We had just under 6,000 at Ewood for the record Chirpy. This has been done to death, but for what it's worth, Curbs left the club in fine fettle with money in the bank - an ugly idiot then squandered it like a shopaholic with a new credit card on, with the exception of Andy Reid, players who Curbs would have turned his nose up at if they were available on free transfers.
In fairness to Pardew, he did a pretty good job of trying to keep us in the Premier League, it was only in the Championship when it became apparent that he was in fact addicted to self-molestation.
Parkinson probably one of the nicest men in football by all accounts on here, managing Bradford in the relegation zone in the 4th division. Pardew not the nicest by all accounts on here but managing a team 4th in the premiership with a minescule budget compared to the 3 teams above him.
Funny old game.
The problem for Pardew at Newcastle is very simple, the big fish are already looking at those two very decent midfield players he found, Cabaye and Tiote, and bids will come in for them in January.
Ashley has already made it clear that he wants his dough back and he is still a long way short of getting it back (even after selling Carroll) so he will approve any decent bids that come in.
I think Newcastle are in a very false position to be honest, they have had a lot of things go their way and should have lost to Spurs and were very lucky to win at Wolves, they are just having one of those lucky runs that teams have from time to time.
If you look at their squad it is pretty thin and although I am not saying they will go down - there are certainly three worse teams than them - I cannot see them ending in the top half.
As for the question on Pardew, he did a terrible job at Charlton, just as bad as Dowie if not worse, he brought in a succession of ill suited players and his purchasing post-relegation in the summer of 2007 was absolutely shocking.
Varney - Disaster
Iwelumo - OK
McCarthy - Disaster
Mouataokil - Disaster
Sinclair - Disaster
Weaver - OK
Semedo - OK
Racon - Disaster (in CCC)
Todorov - Unproven
Having said that he did OK at Saints - much of their present team are his players - and has done nothing wrong at St James Park, so he obviously has some ability despite the fact that many people of fine judgement consider him to be a tosser.
This is my understanding from other sources close to the club. I've heard it said that he joined us when he was burned out after West Ham, which I think has some legs on it. If true, he was never going to succeed.
But as a bloke - well, I've yet to meet anyone with a good word to say about him. Robbie Elliot aside, of course.