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What is up with Chelsea?

There is a lot going on at Charlton at the moment and emotions are running wild. I am married to a Chelsea supporter and remember the emotions he went through during the take over and inevitable success that followed. But what has happened to them? Has Abramovich lost all interest? Why sack Mourinho, the most successful manager they had in 50 years after a couple of mediocre performances, yet Ancelotti is still sitting strong with one win in last 9 league games? Any theories on why with all the money behind them this form is allowed to continue? I think Abramovich is going to pull out his investment so don't care anymore.

Makes me worry about our future at Charlton a bit too I must say.
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  • I heard a rumour that Ancelotti is about to be fired.

    Phil Parkinson is to be appointed there to steady the ship and bring in much needed stability.

    You heard it here first!
  • Posted By: JakeCAFC_94
    wilkins
    Agreed. His time there ruined Chelsea. Never has there been a more boring, uninspiring man in football. He should have gone years ago.
  • Posted By: Chirpy Red

    Posted By: JakeCAFC_94
    wilkins
    Agreed. His time there ruined Chelsea. Never has there been a more boring, uninspiring man in football. He should have gone years ago.
    Completely agree. They've been so much better since Wilkins left.
  • Posted By: Chirpy Red

    Posted By: JakeCAFC_94
    wilkins
    Agreed. His time there ruined Chelsea. Never has there been a more boring, uninspiring man in football. He should have gone years ago.
    Completely agree. They've been so much better since Wilkins left.
  • Posted By: Oggy Red
    I heard a rumour that Ancelotti is about to be fired.

    Phil Parkinson is to be appointed there to steady the ship and bring in much needed stability.

    You heard it here first!
    I'd be surprised if this was true

    Parky can do better
  • At the start of the season they looked like they were going to run away with the title. Guess age has finally caught up with some of them.
  • Put it partly down to dear old Roman stepping in as Bertie Big Bollocks and sacking Ray Wilkins - a very popular and well respected man at the club - simply because Wilkins stood up to him in a row they had last year when Chelsea got knocked out of the CL.

    Abrahmovich sacked Wilkins to show that he was the one running the show, look at the way that the decision was made, Ancellotti was given no choice or say in the matter whatsoever - how humiliating must that be for him?

    Chelsea always go off the rails when Roman starts interfering, they suffered their last big dip when Roman showed his muscles when sacking their best ever manager, Jose Mourinho, and Ancellotti had begun to get them back on track.

    They have had injuries and their squad is thin but the sacking of Wilkins, a crucial link between the English core players and the Italian coaching staff, seriously put the noses out of joint of their big hitters.
  • Posted By: BigRedEvil
    At the start of the season they looked like they were going to run away with the title. Guess age has finally caught up with some of them.
    Thing is you have to play everyone twice in the league. if you play 3 or 4 of the weaker teams early on suddenly you look good. The only table that counts is the one at the end of the season.
  • Why is Wilkins suddenley some sort of God?

    His record as Manager/Ass. Manager or coach is simply appalling.
  • Posted By: Chirpy Red
    Why is Wilkins suddenley some sort of God?

    His record as Manager/Ass. Manager or coach is simply appalling.
    He is not a God by any means but the reporters on the Sky show "Sunday Supplement" were all saying that Wilkins was a very influential figure at Chelsea and linked the England big guns with the Italian coaching staff.

    The big name players, especially Terry, who we know is hugely influential at the club, were apparently furious about the way he was sacked in such a humiliating way.
  • Lol! Sunday Supplement on Sky!!!!

    My word if you take anything from that programme apart from humour then you need help.

    The awful hacks, Winter, Barclay, etc etc who appear on this are just sycophants who are so far up the arse of the likes of Wenger, Terry, Gerrard etc you cannot take anything they say seriously.

    Ray Wilkins - Look at the facts. He has had loads and loads of jobs in football and has basically failed miserably. All of a sudden him leaving Chelsea is the reason why last year’s Double winners are sh1te this season. Crap.
  • Posted By: Chirpy Red
    Lol! Sunday Supplement on Sky!!!!

    My word if you take anything from that programme apart from humour then you need help.

    The awful hacks, Winter, Barclay, etc etc who appear on this are just sycophants who are so far up the arse of the likes of Wenger, Terry, Gerrard etc you cannot take anything they say seriously.

    Ray Wilkins - Look at the facts. He has had loads and loads of jobs in football and has basically failed miserably. All of a sudden him leaving Chelsea is the reason why last year’s Double winners are sh1te this season. Crap.
    Reasonable as usual Chirpy....:)

    They may be hacks but fact is that all of them, especially Shaun Custis of The Sun, has a direct line into Terry and his management, that's where this line about Wilkins came from.

    I would venture that they probably know more about the situation than you do.
  • Well you've summed it up perfectly. A direct line into John Terry!

    Do you really think John Terry knows a good coach/Ass Manager etc from a bad one?

    John Terry knows nothing.

    John Terry is a high profile footballer. Captain of Chelsea and was captain of England. So if you want to keep your job as coach what do you do? Exactly, get up John Terry's backside. It's not rocket science is it?
  • Posted By: Chirpy Red
    Well you've summed it up perfectly. A direct line into John Terry!

    Do you really think John Terry knows a good coach/Ass Manager etc from a bad one?

    John Terry knows nothing.

    John Terry is a high profile footballer. Captain of Chelsea and was captain of England. So if you want to keep your job as coach what do you do? Exactly, get up John Terry's backside. It's not rocket science is it?
    You're right there, John Terry is a complete twat, nobody is doubting that.

    The point is though that he is a very, very influential twat at Chelsea Football Club and he is the dominant force on the playing side. Anyone who knows anything about Chelsea will tell you that.

    His nose was apparently put very much out of joint by his mate's sacking and that might help explain, at least in part, as to why Chelsea have collapsed since Wilkins left the club.

    Its not the only reason but it looks like it might well have played a part, not because Wilkins was a master coach but because his sacking upset a lot of key people on the playing staff.
  • They let the likes of Ballack, Beletti, Deco, Carvalho and even Joe Cole (despite him being a bit rubbish for the last 2 seasons) go without replacing them. No wonder they're now struggling. Most of the first XI are out of form and noone to replace them with.

    Teams have also sussed ways to counter Chelsea's system. If you pin back their full backs, Malouda and Anelka/Kalou (whoever normally plays on the right flank) get nullified easier.
  • My Husband also says that it's because Wilkins was sacked, he said that the rest of the team and staff are 'unsettled'. But I don't buy it, a few games sure, but that team has more worth (money wise) sitting on the bench than what what most clubs have in their whole squad. So after 11 games of under-perfoming (9 leauge) surely someone should have stepped up and put things right. I still think that Abramovich has lost interest in the club and he is going to pull out his finances and concentrate on the world cup in Russia, hence why he isn't putting up any more cash...
  • that ramires is pony
  • its great to see them getting beat, long may it continue
  • Abramovich out?

    Hilarious
  • Wind up from other fans i suspect
  • Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore
    Abramovich out?

    Hilarious
    None of you are fit to wear the shit!!!

    This team won the double last season, surely this couldn't have been done by a Chelsea fan?
  • is that for real if he did pull out they'll probably go bust. I suppose it'll teach them for burning those £5 notes in the stands.
  • was speaking to a Chelski fan today. Roman has stopped investing in players, they used to have 2 top quality players for every position and now they have unheard of players on the bench. Abramovich will be wrapped up in the Russia world cup for the next few years and wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
  • To be fair to Roman, he made it quite clear a number of years ago that the Club would have to fund itself through buying and selling players and would have to rely on the products of the Accademy that he had also invested millions in.

    Nice idea but doesn't really work 100% does it?

    Once again for those who missed it earleir......

    To suggest any correlation between Chelsea's slump and the departure of Butch Wilkins is totally ridiculous.
  • It’s got to be the worst run of form Chelsea fans have experienced since they supported Fulham !
  • Posted By: se9addick
    It’s got to be the worst run of form Chelsea fans have experienced since they supported Fulham !
    quality!
  • Long may their demise continue. Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch.
  • Posted By: JohnBoyUK
    Long may their demise continue. Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch.

    Agreed, break open the Cava.
  • Anyone seen the big banner of Ancelotti and Abramovich Out, shown on SSN I am guessing at the training ground. Some of these fans are clueless.

    Would love to see Abramovich bail out and they do a Leeds. Then we will see how many real fans there are.

    Looked into getting some tickets for Chelsea and the cheapest Adult ticket was £52 quid- what a joke!
  • Posted By: LawrieAbrahams
    was speaking to a Chelski fan today. Roman has stopped investing in players, they used to have 2 top quality players for every position and now they have unheard of players on the bench. Abramovich will be wrapped up in the Russia world cup for the next few years and wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
    I can't be bothered to paste the facts. but I think it is all to do with the fact that to get into The Champions League at some future point, you have to be profitable.

    Therefore, if that is correct he & others can't just go pumping untold money in any longer to buy success in Europe.

    Doesn't explain the recent results, but may explain why Abrom is not pumping in money.
  • Posted By: Covered End

    Posted By: LawrieAbrahams
    was speaking to a Chelski fan today. Roman has stopped investing in players, they used to have 2 top quality players for every position and now they have unheard of players on the bench. Abramovich will be wrapped up in the Russia world cup for the next few years and wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
    I can't be bothered to paste the facts. but I think it is all to do with the fact that to get into The Champions League at some future point, you have to be profitable.

    Therefore, if that is correct he & others can't just go pumping untold money in any longer to buy success in Europe.

    Doesn't explain the recent results, but may explain why Abrom is not pumping in money.
    Is that rule set in stone? I've never heard it before, although makes a bit of sense. Don't explain why players sold, released and injured are not being replaced though.
  • I think he will pull the rug from under Chelsea in the near future, the World Cup will be his new toy,hopefully they will revert to how they were before a crap team with no money!
  • Posted By: sadiejane1981

    Posted By: Covered End

    Posted By: LawrieAbrahams
    was speaking to a Chelski fan today. Roman has stopped investing in players, they used to have 2 top quality players for every position and now they have unheard of players on the bench. Abramovich will be wrapped up in the Russia world cup for the next few years and wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
    I can't be bothered to paste the facts. but I think it is all to do with the fact that to get into The Champions League at some future point, you have to be profitable.

    Therefore, if that is correct he & others can't just go pumping untold money in any longer to buy success in Europe.

    Doesn't explain the recent results, but may explain why Abrom is not pumping in money.
    Is that rule set in stone? I've never heard it before, although makes a bit of sense. Don't explain why players sold, released and injured are not being replaced though.
    I think Covered End is referring to UEFA's financial fair play initiative which comes into effect in 2013/14.
  • Posted By: dabos

    Posted By: sadiejane1981

    Posted By: Covered End

    Posted By: LawrieAbrahams
    was speaking to a Chelski fan today. Roman has stopped investing in players, they used to have 2 top quality players for every position and now they have unheard of players on the bench. Abramovich will be wrapped up in the Russia world cup for the next few years and wouldn't be surprised to see him leave.
    I can't be bothered to paste the facts. but I think it is all to do with the fact that to get into The Champions League at some future point, you have to be profitable.

    Therefore, if that is correct he & others can't just go pumping untold money in any longer to buy success in Europe.

    Doesn't explain the recent results, but may explain why Abrom is not pumping in money.
    Is that rule set in stone? I've never heard it before, although makes a bit of sense. Don't explain why players sold, released and injured are not being replaced though.
    I think Covered End is referring toUEFA's financial fair play initiativewhich comes into effect in 2013/14.
    so surely in the 2 and a half seasons they have until then they would/ should be building and spending as much as they can get away with. As they are not I assume Ellisaddick is right!

    Posted By: ellisaddick
    I think he will pull the rug from under Chelsea in the near future, the World Cup will be his new toy,hopefully they will revert to how they were before a crap team with no money!
  • "Fair play criteria will become mandatory from the beginning of the 2013/14, when the Club Financial Control Panel can start pronouncing sanctions against clubs based on financial statements from the 2011/12 and 2012/13 reporting periods"

    I don't pretend to understand this & don't really care at this moment in time, but if they are going to begin imposing sanctions based on the year starting 2011/12, that sounds like next season to me, so they need to be breaking even by the start of next season ?

    Probably wrong, but that's how it reads to me.

    So only Arsenal will survive and all the others will go into administration & Charlton will be in The Champions League within a few years - Tee hee .
  • If that is the case how can Man City pass the criteria
  • Posted By: ellisaddick
    If that is the case how can Man City pass the criteria
    That's the whole point only Arsenal make a profit I think. The rest will all need to change.
  • Hence Man City about to spend another £27m not counting wages?
  • They're getting old? Well think about it...you could argue that there is a spine to the England team that's basically Chelsea: Lampard, Terry, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole and England were woeful in the world cup.

    I thought they signed some promising players a few years back; Deco I really liked but he never seemed to click and then they were gone with no replacements.

    I've never really rated Lampard over the years - kind of a prozone proplus player - some say that Chelsea have underperformed during his long absence - but they started the season with a bang without him and now he's back he hasn't done much yet. Sorry Frank.

    Maybe it's just old age - a lot of those players have been around for years and they're coming to the end of it, coupled with no managerial stability, and you get the impression that managers don't really do much, the players seem to decide what's what like some kind of overpaid union. I kind of felt - no evidence - thatthe players didn't like Phil Scollari and didn't put the shift in until he left?

    You could argue that they kyboshed Capello, too. Terry and David James(Yeah I know he isn't Chelsea) rebelling, knowing what's the best, a bit like the French. Hmmm Annelka's part of the French set up, too.
  • To answer the original question, and to quote Barry Davies,

    Frankly, who cares?
  • I am really with Off_it on this one but to answer the original question, I do not think it is just down to the removal of Munchkins. In my view it goes back to Ambramovitch believing that somehow the "I buy" approach was ever going to achieve over a team building ethic.

    In Mourinho he had the perfect manager - MANAGER. That means somebody who marshalls the resources available to him to achieve the greatest result. Mourinho knew what made a team tick, he didn't need too many fancy Dans like Ballack and Shevchenko. He built upon Ranieri's foundations, brought in Drogba and Essien and few others and fashioned an awesome team.

    It seems though that the owner wanted certain stellar names rather than leaving it to the manager to decide on who he needs. They spent a fortune but not necessarily on the right players.

    Since his departure, the team has been relatively successful domestically but the cracks have emerged. Their success in the last couple of years has come at a time when Arsenal have not been at their best, Manure have been in transition, Liverpool have lost the plot, Spurs are still on the way up and Citeh haven't hitherto gelled.

    I think in Ancellotti they have a decent manager but he has taken over at a time when the squad did need freshening up with the right players but it coincided with Ambramovitch stopping spending money like it was going out of fashion. Indeed I wonder whether he is bored with his play thing.

    Their demise may be temporary. The right players coming in this window may boost their season, but the shine has definitely gone. Wilkins sacking is a symptom of a wider malaise rather than the cause of it in my view.
  • They beat Ipswich 7-0 today. I know it is only Ipswich (Championship strugglers) and I know it is the FA Cup and not the League. However, I seem to remember Abramovich telling one or more of his new managers not to dismiss the FA Cup. Perhaps they have decided to concentrate on that domestically, particularly since the League seems to be slipping from their grasp. That would then allow them to also put effort into the European Cup. Incidentally, Lampard and Sturridge both scored two each today.
    I do agree that they need to bring in new and younger blood. Perhaps we will see a clear out of the ranks in the summer?
  • Posted By: bingaddick
    I am really with Off_it on this one but to answer the original question, I do not think it is just down to the removal of Munchkins. In my view it goes back to Ambramovitch believing that somehow the "I buy" approach was ever going to achieve over a team building ethic.

    In Mourinho he had the perfect manager - MANAGER. That means somebody who marshalls the resources available to him to achieve the greatest result. Mourinho knew what made a team tick, he didn't need too many fancy Dans like Ballack and Shevchenko. He built upon Ranieri's foundations, brought in Drogba and Essien and few others and fashioned an awesome team.

    It seems though that the owner wanted certain stellar names rather than leaving it to the manager to decide on who he needs. They spent a fortune but not necessarily on the right players.

    Since his departure, the team has been relatively successful domestically but the cracks have emerged. Their success in the last couple of years has come at a time when Arsenal have not been at their best, Manure have been in transition, Liverpool have lost the plot, Spurs are still on the way up and Citeh haven't hitherto gelled.

    I think in Ancellotti they have a decent manager but he has taken over at a time when the squad did need freshening up with the right players but it coincided with Ambramovitch stopping spending money like it was going out of fashion. Indeed I wonder whether he is bored with his play thing.

    Their demise may be temporary. The right players coming in this window may boost their season, but the shine has definitely gone. Wilkins sacking is a symptom of a wider malaise rather than the cause of it in my view.
    Great post, Bing.

    The view amongst those in the know is that Abramovich wants to be seen as the ultimate reason for Chelsea's success, he apparently really did not like Mourinho getting God-like status from the fans and that is why Mourinho fell out of favour.

    Abramovich wants to be seen as the undisputed, sole power at the club and nobody or nothing is allowed to challenge his authority.

    The long term future of Chelsea is going to be very interesting to watch, I can't see Abramovich sticking around for more than the next 5-10 years, they will find it tough to find a replacement.
  • Andre Villas-Boas, possibly a move for the better maybe they've now got their act together. 
  • Andre Villas-Boas, possibly a move for the better maybe they've now got their act together. 

    Will be interesting to see how he does.  Their holy grail seems to be the Champions League and Villas-Boas has no CL experience.  Really would have thought they'd turn to Guus Hiddink again.
  • personally think they've made the right decision, young up and coming manager with experience working with the best. The only problem I see is old moneybags not giving him long enough to find his footing and make his mark, let's face it Abramovich hasn't got the best track record has he?
  • It is a gamble but at least it's something new. He'll make Chelsea more entertaining to watch hopefully, they also need younger players which could work out well as I can't see Drogba taking orders from someone his own age.
  • chelsea could appoint anyone and if they don't win the champions league their out. itss roman not knowing football or giving managers time.
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